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You know the RULES, right?
Ok, fine, just in case, here they are again. There are only 3:
(If you want more details, read this blog post here: http://ghpolisner.blogspot.com/2010/12/friday-feedback.html otherwise, just follow along.
I would like the following feedback (and will offer the same to you if you post an excerpt for me to read in the comments):
#Uno (that's 1 in Spanish): If it is the first few paragraphs of a novel – today it is NOT, so skip to dos (Spanish again, for 2) -- tell me if it "hooks" you enough to make you want to keep reading, or not. If yes, why? If no, why not?
#2 (well, I already gave away the Spanish): What works for you, draws you into the piece and why? (this is called the flattery part ;))
and,
#Trois (yep, switched to French. It's late and I'm punchy): What doesn’t work for you and why? (ouch, this is called the constructive, sting-y part).
When you are done giving feedback, if you want some of the same multi-lingual feedback from me (or my readers!?) please post your brief excerpt at the end of your comment (and tell me what it is -- e.g. opening to a novel, short story, poem, etc...). Please post no more than 3 -5 paragraphs, 5 if they're short, 3 if they are long. If there's more, I will only read the first 3 -5. If the comment gets too long, feel free to reply in two separate comments. If you are a student from a particular class, please identify yourself as such. If not, let me know how you found me.
Today, I am posting another piece from my young adult work in progress In Sight of Stars narrated by a 17-yr old boy who has a nervous breakdown after the recent death of his father. This piece is from p. 97 of about 155. Still very rough. But it's okay, have at it.
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On Thursday, we arrange for my mother to come in. Dr. Alvarez thinks I need to confront her, tell her what I know and how I feel about it. All of it. Even if it means she sees how angry I am. Even if it means that I end up hating her. Or she ends up hating me. “You can’t keep walking around with it, Klee, keeping it all bottled inside.”
I don’t feel great. Sick to my stomach. My jaw is clenched and my head hurts. I’m glad Dr. A. will be there.
When I reach her office, Dr. A. is already in there, sitting with the Van Gogh book open on her lap. She turns and looks up at me, then taps the page with her finger. Beneath it, a cheerful, lavender sky swirls above a golden field. Dark green fir trees reach to the sky.
“Wheat Field with Cypresses,” I say, sitting, “1889.”
“I love this one,” she says, placing it down on the table between us. “It’s very airy and hopeful. You can smell the trees and feel the wheat blowing.” I study it with her. “The thing I didn’t realize,” she continues, “is how many different styles he had. You think of Van Gogh and you think of his sunflowers or Starry Night, and even those two are quite different. But, now I see that some of his paintings had a strong Japanese influence, magnificent cherry blossoms and peach trees, and incredible color. Yet others are dark and brooding, like his illustrations, or the Potato Eaters, which I’d never heard of but is obviously very famous.”
I nod.
“What fascinates me is how we presume to know so much when we so often know so little. I’m glad you made me look at his work. It seems very worth knowing.”
“My Dad loved him,” I say. “As long as I can remember, he would always talk to me about Van Gogh. And not just Van Gogh, all the masters. But especially Van Gogh.”
“Well, I’m glad he did. And I’m glad you held onto it. And that you’ve passed it on to me.” She slides the book off to the side a little but leaves it open to that page. I’m grateful for that. I understand that she leaves it there intentionally.
There’s a knock on the door. My mother. Her eyes go to me. “People have all different sides,” she reminds me.
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Hi this Gabby from Mrs. Andersons young adult lit class again. ^_^.
ReplyDelete1).Yes this does hook me enough to continue.
2). I like that Van Gogh is used and the quote about "what fascinates me..." It also makes me want to know why Klee dislikes his mother so much.
3). What doesn't work for me... I guess the length. I can't get too much of a feel for something that short.
My turn ^_^.
Last time I posted from Walking Over The Shattered Pieces but this time I have something new. The working title is "The Two Just For Me"
The "One". Your soul mate. Two parts of the same flame. Two halves of a whole person. We've all heard these terms for that supposed one person who's supposed to be perfect partner. We've seen this happen in movies, read about this ultimate love in books. Everyone believes that you can only have one perfect fit...but what if the perfect love...isn't with just one person? Why isn't it possible to fall in love with two people and love them both equally? The romances I've seen have really only shown both ends of the spectrum of sexuality.
It's either a straight couple that falls madly in love or two gays that do the same...but what about the bis? We feel their are two perfectly good genders to love so why would we want to chose only one? It's a damn hard choice to commit to only one gender for the rest of your life. I'm all for commitment if that sort of thing works for you I'm not out to destroy marriage or commitment or anything..I just don't see why someone can't have two extremely important people in their life and love them both.
Who ever sat down and decided that one lover was the only way to go? Oh yeah right....religion. Christianity and all it's one committed for life relationship dictation....but what about Mormons? A lot of them are polygamist and they have never had any of their wives complain. They even made a tv show about it. The guy was able to show that he loved each of his wives equally. Then of course there's paganism which doesn't believe in committing yourself to anyone permanently...so does that mean that I really should be ok with what I'm doing?
Hi! I'm Mali (said like Molly, I know it's different but that's just me) from Mrs. Andersen's YA Lit class.
ReplyDeleteUno) I think I would keep reading this. Since I'm new to Friday Feedback, do you post random sections from your book or do you just pick pieces from it in order from the beginning to the end?
Dos) I think what drew me to this piece was what she said Dr. Alvarez told her to do with her mom, to confront her. I hope Klee gets the courage to confront her mother because I know how hard it is to do that (:
Trois) I honestly didn't find anything about this piece I didn't like. Do you have a connetion to Van Gogh like Dr. Alvarez and Klee? Just out of curiousity.
I was wondering if you could give me some advice on writing from a guy's point of view. I just started writing this as my guy, but I might just switch over and write the rest of this story from my girl character's point of view. I picked this chapter because at the beginning of this post I saw you numbered the rules in Spanish and French. (:
Part 2 - Alone
Ryder POV
“Ali?” I asked, she turned and stared at me with wide eyes.
“Ryder!” She shrieked and threw her arms around me tightly. I hugged her back and felt myself smiling from ear to ear. She released me and took my black hair in her hand.
“When did you get this? You used to be boring! Hair wise of course…” She giggled and let it go.
“Oh you know, freshman year. I’ve just kept it.” I replied and smiled at her.
“And you have arm muscles! What happened to you?” She asked and put a hand on my arm. As soon as her hand touched me I felt a sudden jolt of electricity, she felt it too because she pulled away quickly and blushed.
“Anyways…” She said and looked me up and down.
“Like whatcha see?” I asked and winked; she blushed deeper and punched my shoulder.
“Shut up.”
“You’re very abusive.”
“You need abusive.” She giggled again and smiled at me again. “God Ryder, I love you.” She sighed.
“I love you too Al, always have.” I replied, she didn't seem to put together the kind of love I was talking about.
The hour seemed to drag by; I stole a few looks at Ali from the corner of my eye as time progressed. I caught her eye a few times; every time I saw her cheeks flush a little bit. The bell rang and she dragged me out past all the twenty other kids in the class into the hallways.
“Gimme your schedule.” She demanded and held her hand out. I immediately complied and watched her analyze the piece of paper. After a second she squealed and giggled.
“We have next hour together, third hour on the same floor which means we have the same lunch, and fifth hour.” She said. She seemed to bounce up and down with excitement.
“Where are we going next?” I asked and grabbed my schedule back.
“Spanish, I hope you know something other than hola and adios because the teacher will probably eat you.”
Joy.
Also I am sooo sorry if I got Klee's gender confused! I thought Klee was a girl and I was reading Gabby's comment where she said Klee was a guy. I get momentarily confused sometimes D:
ReplyDeleteargh, testing my comment posts first because I just lost my whole first comment to Gabby. >:(
ReplyDeleteok, take two (grrrr... the comments are never as clear or good the second time round *shakes fists at Blogger*).
ReplyDelete@Gabby (I'll be back for you, Mali ;)) first of all thanks for coming back to participate again and for your feedback! (yay!).
Secondly, what draws me immediately into your piece is your strong, simple narrative voice in posing the opening sentence: The "One". Your soul mate. Two parts of the same flame.
Because we (or at least I) knew right away from this that you were going to question or challenge the social mores ("maw-rays") established by that. I could hear your "voice" in it. What is so far challenging for me is that what starts out feeling like an intriguing fiction piece turns almost essay feeling - so I'm not yet sure what you intend it to be. If you intend it to be the former - fiction - I'd love to see you go back to the later paragraphs and get that simple but adamant voice in there to create a less-summarizing feel to your interesting questions posed, but rather a sort of "story" unfolding. If instead it's an essay or non-fiction piece, then keep going as is, youre doing a great job!
@mali, first gonna answer your questions (and tell you I loved reading your piece!) then going to run to an appt, and then will come back and critque your piece, so don't think I forgot about you :)
ReplyDeleteAs for you confusing Klee (pronounced, btw, Clay, which is revealed early on in the book ;)) with being female, i don't mind when people do that because it reminds me to pay constant and good attention to whether I've got the male voice down or not. Having said that, I think whenever writers write from the opposite gender, there's a tendency to *assume* the mc is the same gender... so you have to parse out if the misunderstanding comes from that - the tendency to think: female writer so female mc until proven otherswise -- or from writing which has not yet captured the correct gender's voice.
So, ironic that you asked me if I have some pointers (and I must do it somewhat successfully, because my debut novel due out in May is narrated from the perspective of a 15 yr old boy!), I do. Instead of retype them, I'm going to refer you to a blog post I did on another writer's site. It's actually a two-parter and you can find it here. http://ghostfolk.blogspot.com/2010/02/writing-boys-teen-voice-gae-polisner.html
as for the Van Gogh question, I don't have a special connection to him except that like most other people, I love his Starry Night or the cafe paintings etc that we all know. I just got this idea in my head that I wanted an MC who shared his father's love for art and especially had almost a clinical obsession with Van Gogh, who is maybe not the best person to emulate, other than artwise. ;)
Ok, back later to tell you what I like about your piece and what I would work on! Sorry to leave you on pins and needles, but suffice it to know that I like it. :D
I love this piece-of-story.
ReplyDeleteNumber one: I would keep reading, I want to know what Klee has to say to his mom and how she takes it. I know that talking to parents can be hard and that they don't always take it like they probably should.
Number two: What works for me is how you incorporated Van Gogh, and not just his most popular works, but some that may not be as widely recognized.
Number Three: (the constructive sting-y part) Two minor things. First off, I felt like the sentence "he would always talk to me about Van Gogh. And not just Van Gogh, all the masters. But especially Van Gogh.” felt repetitive. Saying Van Gogh three times in one sentence just seems like a lot. Second, the last sentence "There’s a knock on the door. My mother. Her eyes go to me. “People have all different sides,” she reminds me." Almost makes it seem like Klee's mom is the one who said it, not Dr. A.
*puts writing cap on and decides to go with Rage*
It hurt, but I couldn't stop. I thought to myself "This is wrong, quit now." Yet I continued. It was all I could do to take my mind off of things. I could taste the metal of the blade in my mouth as I pressed the edge into my cheek. The harder I pressed, the more I could feel a steady stream of hot liquid pooling under my tounge. My mind felt clouded or trapped in web, but this seemed to help. . . for a moment. Like all of my mental pain drained out of this one physical wound. I knew I was in the wrong, but everything that was hurting me mentally seemed less painful than this. I had already contorted and permanently damaged my hand. To barely hit something, if even on accident, sent the black and blue suited soldiers to guard the weakened area. I needed help, but didn't know how to ask for it.
It's rough I know. :p
@Gabby I loved the very first part of this story. I agree with Gae in the sense that it does seem to turn into an essay. I would however, keep reading it. :) Good job!
ReplyDelete@Mali I really liked this! It definitely seems to be a long lasting friendship, and kind of reminds me of me and my best friend. Would love to keep reading this!
*sorry my responses are short this week, I have to go to book club, take brothers bowling, shower, hopefully eat, and find my bedroom floor* (not at all in that order)
Ok, Mali, I'm back! (Caroline, yours might come later *wipes brow at day*). Here's my critique. I am drawn in to this piece and would keep reading. The part that works best for me is you do great dialogue and I can really hear the exchange between the two. I also think you have the guy's voice down pretty well so far. I didn't question it or have to remind myself (partly because you don't add extraneous details and to me that is definitely a guy thing - I'm often going back and cutting out too descriptive details if it's from a guy's perspective. Guy's see "red" or "blue" not "brick red" or "summery blue" or whatever, you get my point. they are much more to the point. Girl's eyes are "pretty" not "like pools of" anything...etc. So i think you've done this really well. What I would do (the sting-y part) is learn to pull your dialogue tags back some - ESPECIALLY because you do good dialogue and it is clear who is speaking, your constant tags trip me up (although later in the piece you eliminate them some). Now, FYI, Im a reader who LIKES dialogue tags -- i like the writer to gently guide me, but I don't like too many. So the easiest way to show you what I'm talking about is to cut and paste your piece with my removal of the tags where you don't need them below (this sometimes also requires adjusting the text that immediately follows the tag -- by the way, in case you don't know what a tag is, that's "he said," "she said," etc. (and very rarely should you EVER use anything but he said/she said (meaning dispense with "responded" "replied" etc. -- the saids are meant to almost disappear in the readers head...) (whew, this is a LONG comment):
ReplyDeleteRyder!” She shrieked and threw her arms around me tightly. I hugged her back and felt myself smiling from ear to ear. She released me and took my black hair in her hand.
“When did you get this? You used to be boring! Hair wise of course…” She giggled and let it go.
“Oh you know, freshman year. I’ve just kept it.” I smiled at her.
“And you have arm muscles! What happened to you?” She put a hand on my arm. As soon as her hand touched me I felt a sudden jolt of electricity, she felt it too because she pulled away quickly and blushed.
“Anyways…” She looked me up and down.
“Like whatcha see?” I asked and winked; she blushed deeper and punched my shoulder.
-- so, you can see I didn't take them all out, but without so many, it really flows because your dialogue and action has already done the job. Can you see the difference?
good work.
gae
Caroline,
ReplyDeleteAnd voila another SUPER LONG comment *curtseys*
First of all, it may rough, but it's also really really good. The opening made me cringe -- a good thing -- meaning your writing is the perfect mix of descriptive without being overwritten that made me feel the narrator's pain completely and get rapt in it.
I know it’s rough and you will edit, but just as a pure exercise I'm gonna edit it for you, since i dont really have anything sting-y to say.
So, for whatever it's worth (and the fact that you love to spell tongue wrong ;)), here's how I'd edit the piece – (all small stuff like you don’t need “to myself” after “I thought” and, also, btw, the sentence set of in * * is confusing (backwards? Don’t you mean the things that are hurting her mentally seemed MORE? painful than the physical pain she was causing to distract herself? And can you replace the second use of mentally with emotionally so as not to have the Van Gogh/Van Gogh problem you so correctly pointed out with mental/mentally?)
It hurt, but I couldn't stop. I thought, "This is wrong, quit now." Yet I continued. It was all I could do to take my mind off of things. I could taste the metal of the blade in my mouth as I pressed the edge into my cheek. The harder I pressed, the more I could feel a steady stream of hot liquid pool under my tongue. My mind felt clouded or trapped in a web, but this seemed to help. . . for a moment. As if all my mental pain drained out of this one physical wound. I knew I was in the wrong, *but everything that was hurting me mentally seemed less painful than this.* I had already contorted and permanently damaged my hand. To barely hit something, even accidentally, sent the black and blue suited soldiers to guard the weakened area. I needed help, but didn't know how to ask for it.
btw, thanks to Caroline for chiming in on the other pieces! Eventually, you guys could get a real good little friday critique thing going here, and I can go eat sushi. ;)
ReplyDeleteBut truly, I love that Caroline chimed in!
.....and that is why it is rough. Because I cannot spell "tongue" and yes that sentence is backwards. It should say more and not less. >:/
ReplyDeleteThank you for catching my repetitiveness also.
I'm glad you liked it. :) I still am not sure I like it. I criticize myself too much.
Your welcome. :D
ReplyDelete(I didn't see your comment until after I posted mine)
you do criticize yourself too much! It is an excellent piece. Raw, evocative, well written, especially for rough. Of course, most of us writers do - criticize ourselves too much.
ReplyDeleteI've been getting gobs of praise the last few days from both my editor AND my agent on my WIP and when I looked through it last night to find a piece to use for today's FF here, all I kept thinking is, "ugh, THIS is how I wrote that?" and then scrambled to edit everything! But being a good writer is only half in the first draft, the rest is in the endless revising. :)
One) I'm beginning to dislike how you strategically end these pieces with a cliff :(
ReplyDeleteTwo) It's gold though, pure gold :) leaves me wondering and wanting more. Can't wait til the next Friday Feedback lol
Three) I don't really have a third one but everyone else did, so here we go lol
Ellie! :) I almost forgot I "saw" you here from my cell phone yesterday!
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you like it. Not promising you'll see another piece next week. May just leave you hanging.
xo me
You did leave me hanging lol but I liked Geoff's piece a lot too, so I forgive you. At least this week ;D
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